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		<title>By: Ellen santacroce</title>
		<link>http://www.socialworkblog.org/nasw-news-article/2012/06/social-work-schools-offering-alternative-job-path-programs/#comment-152537</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellen santacroce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Linda, any suggestions for an lcsw-r wanting to break into quality improvement? Where to begin? 

Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda, any suggestions for an lcsw-r wanting to break into quality improvement? Where to begin? </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Welsh</title>
		<link>http://www.socialworkblog.org/nasw-news-article/2012/06/social-work-schools-offering-alternative-job-path-programs/#comment-98653</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone who is interested in becoming a medical social workers can get some excellent training by working for home health or home health hospice.  The nurses are usually very willing to talk about medical aspects with the social worker on the case because they know that if the care team is well-educated, the patient will get better care.  

Also, there are weekly care team meetings in which you can learn about the patients&#039; medical conditions.  I am a social worker and when I worked with a hospice, I ended up gaining a lot of knowledge that in turn helped my patients.  

In some states, if you get a job in a  specialized area, such as medical social work, but you have no direct experience in it, you may be required to meet with a clinical supervisor.  That person will review your work and discuss it with you.  This is usually set up and paid for by your company, either with existing staff or it may be contracted out.  Either way, this provides more education.  

Since many of these jobs are entry level, you can get hired without prior medical social work experience, you just have to have a social work license.  

Hope this helps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who is interested in becoming a medical social workers can get some excellent training by working for home health or home health hospice.  The nurses are usually very willing to talk about medical aspects with the social worker on the case because they know that if the care team is well-educated, the patient will get better care.  </p>
<p>Also, there are weekly care team meetings in which you can learn about the patients&#8217; medical conditions.  I am a social worker and when I worked with a hospice, I ended up gaining a lot of knowledge that in turn helped my patients.  </p>
<p>In some states, if you get a job in a  specialized area, such as medical social work, but you have no direct experience in it, you may be required to meet with a clinical supervisor.  That person will review your work and discuss it with you.  This is usually set up and paid for by your company, either with existing staff or it may be contracted out.  Either way, this provides more education.  </p>
<p>Since many of these jobs are entry level, you can get hired without prior medical social work experience, you just have to have a social work license.  </p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Welsh</title>
		<link>http://www.socialworkblog.org/nasw-news-article/2012/06/social-work-schools-offering-alternative-job-path-programs/#comment-98649</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just wanted to put my two-cents worth in about whether one has to be poor to help the poor.  I think the answer should be obvious.  If you are on the edge of not being able to survive (being poor) how can you have anything to give to the poor?  When one is poor, one is probably still a hard working person.  Often the hours are long and hard.  You don&#039;t have anything left over, not money, not time, not energy, (and after awhile, not any good will).

We need to lose this idea that to be rich is to be evil and to be poor is to be virtuous.  The reality is that there are good and evil people who are rich and good and evil people who are poor.

Also, God wants us to have all our needs met and wants us to prosper financially.  How do I know?  I read His Word.  

God delights in his children being rich, but he tells us never to forget the poor.

The idea that being poor is virtuous was promoted by Constantine.  He thought it was holy to give your wealth to the church (in other words to give it to him).  This promoted two conditions that helped him. It made him richer and it made him more powerful, since poor people are less empowered and not able to object to being treated poorly themselves and they also can&#039;t stop others from being mistreated.  

Wealth is merely an amplifier.  It can be used for good or evil.  Many who have great wealth have done great evil because they have had the means to do more of what they usually do.  Others with great wealth have done great good because they were able to do more of what they usually do.

Then, isn&#039;t it wise to wish that good people get wealth, because they will use it for good and society will be better for it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to put my two-cents worth in about whether one has to be poor to help the poor.  I think the answer should be obvious.  If you are on the edge of not being able to survive (being poor) how can you have anything to give to the poor?  When one is poor, one is probably still a hard working person.  Often the hours are long and hard.  You don&#8217;t have anything left over, not money, not time, not energy, (and after awhile, not any good will).</p>
<p>We need to lose this idea that to be rich is to be evil and to be poor is to be virtuous.  The reality is that there are good and evil people who are rich and good and evil people who are poor.</p>
<p>Also, God wants us to have all our needs met and wants us to prosper financially.  How do I know?  I read His Word.  </p>
<p>God delights in his children being rich, but he tells us never to forget the poor.</p>
<p>The idea that being poor is virtuous was promoted by Constantine.  He thought it was holy to give your wealth to the church (in other words to give it to him).  This promoted two conditions that helped him. It made him richer and it made him more powerful, since poor people are less empowered and not able to object to being treated poorly themselves and they also can&#8217;t stop others from being mistreated.  </p>
<p>Wealth is merely an amplifier.  It can be used for good or evil.  Many who have great wealth have done great evil because they have had the means to do more of what they usually do.  Others with great wealth have done great good because they were able to do more of what they usually do.</p>
<p>Then, isn&#8217;t it wise to wish that good people get wealth, because they will use it for good and society will be better for it?</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Koon</title>
		<link>http://www.socialworkblog.org/nasw-news-article/2012/06/social-work-schools-offering-alternative-job-path-programs/#comment-85958</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth Koon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker employed in health care quality.  After several decades of clinical practice, I found myself doing Quality Improvement.  Social Work education blends well with Improvement Theories and this macro-level practice does help to improve how we deliver health care in a patient and family-centered focus. 

I am disturbed by Gary&#039;s criticism of those professional social workers who earn a good living.  I found several colleagues at the NASW Florida Chapter conference who share his same view:  if we work with the poor, we must remain in poverty ourselves.  I call that pure nonsense!  

NASW is a professional association that advocates for social work jobs and salaries.  We are well-educated professionals, and the MSW requires almost twice the number of academic hours, PLUS field placement, than other masters level programs.  Do we not deserve to earn a good living?  In delivering loving-kindness to our clients, should we not deliver loving-kindness to ourselves?  

It&#039;s no crime to serve people and live well yourself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker employed in health care quality.  After several decades of clinical practice, I found myself doing Quality Improvement.  Social Work education blends well with Improvement Theories and this macro-level practice does help to improve how we deliver health care in a patient and family-centered focus. </p>
<p>I am disturbed by Gary&#8217;s criticism of those professional social workers who earn a good living.  I found several colleagues at the NASW Florida Chapter conference who share his same view:  if we work with the poor, we must remain in poverty ourselves.  I call that pure nonsense!  </p>
<p>NASW is a professional association that advocates for social work jobs and salaries.  We are well-educated professionals, and the MSW requires almost twice the number of academic hours, PLUS field placement, than other masters level programs.  Do we not deserve to earn a good living?  In delivering loving-kindness to our clients, should we not deliver loving-kindness to ourselves?  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s no crime to serve people and live well yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne LMSW</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanne LMSW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 02:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree with you Gary, a focus on specialization with the population one is interested in would be much more beneficial than diluting the profession with the idea one needs a &quot;dual&quot; degree. For example, medical social work is of interest to many, but how do you start ? Getting a foot in the door is difficult, even at times with internship. Provide programs with the focus and graduate those who come out of school with the medical knowledge, self assurance, and for instance -learned ability to navigate a nursing station, spk to a physician, facilitate discharge. Being an expert in your population interest is key nowadays in SW, or maybe just get an MBA if it looks like too much work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with you Gary, a focus on specialization with the population one is interested in would be much more beneficial than diluting the profession with the idea one needs a &#8220;dual&#8221; degree. For example, medical social work is of interest to many, but how do you start ? Getting a foot in the door is difficult, even at times with internship. Provide programs with the focus and graduate those who come out of school with the medical knowledge, self assurance, and for instance -learned ability to navigate a nursing station, spk to a physician, facilitate discharge. Being an expert in your population interest is key nowadays in SW, or maybe just get an MBA if it looks like too much work.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Bachman, MSSW, LSCW</title>
		<link>http://www.socialworkblog.org/nasw-news-article/2012/06/social-work-schools-offering-alternative-job-path-programs/#comment-84405</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Bachman, MSSW, LSCW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honestly, I find this posting on the NASW Blog rather discouraging.  It seems that the call from USC as represented here is to abandon our profesional committment to pursuing matters of social justice and service with vulnerable populations, in favor of one&#039;s own advancement (descent) into the for-profit clinical, business or political realm. This almost feels like a macabre promotion of Ronald Regans&#039; &quot;trickle down economics.&quot;  We all know how that worked. (Don&#039;t we?)

I&#039;m also reminded  of the similarity between the ideas promoted in this blog post to an article  authored by Dr. Flynn in 2007 describing the social work mission at USC: “Most social workers don’t work with the poor anymore, but with the mentally ill, in schools, hospitals, substance abuse, and aging...               The majority of new social work schools are small, rural, or church-related,training foot soldiers. We need that, and I
don’t mind supporting that. “But that’s not how we prepare our students.

We charge so much, we have to prepare
them for something different and more
broad. We have a special role as private universities.

I’m interested in preparing our students
for the exceptional. When we do place
them in conventional roles, we train them to
do exceptional things. … But others are working at Ernst &amp; Young, in management and
consulting, in public policy … “Private universities have to do training for leadership. If we don’t, we lose the rationale for a certain kind of existence. Once public universities took on the role of public service, private schools had to take on a different role…
“There’s a trend toward privatization in all facets of human services. No sector remains without a large for-profit sector. We have to train social workers to
be in those for-profit sectors, helping those sectors to be more humanitarian.”

Yes. To be more humanitarian, that final saving grace. 

But let&#039;s not linger on the suggestion that such schools &quot;...charge so much, we have to prepare them (social work students) for something different... If we don’t, we lose the rationale for a certain kind of existence.&quot; 

http://gwbweb.wustl.edu/research/SocialImpact/Documents/Image%20of%20Social%20Work.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I find this posting on the NASW Blog rather discouraging.  It seems that the call from USC as represented here is to abandon our profesional committment to pursuing matters of social justice and service with vulnerable populations, in favor of one&#8217;s own advancement (descent) into the for-profit clinical, business or political realm. This almost feels like a macabre promotion of Ronald Regans&#8217; &#8220;trickle down economics.&#8221;  We all know how that worked. (Don&#8217;t we?)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also reminded  of the similarity between the ideas promoted in this blog post to an article  authored by Dr. Flynn in 2007 describing the social work mission at USC: “Most social workers don’t work with the poor anymore, but with the mentally ill, in schools, hospitals, substance abuse, and aging&#8230;               The majority of new social work schools are small, rural, or church-related,training foot soldiers. We need that, and I<br />
don’t mind supporting that. “But that’s not how we prepare our students.</p>
<p>We charge so much, we have to prepare<br />
them for something different and more<br />
broad. We have a special role as private universities.</p>
<p>I’m interested in preparing our students<br />
for the exceptional. When we do place<br />
them in conventional roles, we train them to<br />
do exceptional things. … But others are working at Ernst &amp; Young, in management and<br />
consulting, in public policy … “Private universities have to do training for leadership. If we don’t, we lose the rationale for a certain kind of existence. Once public universities took on the role of public service, private schools had to take on a different role…<br />
“There’s a trend toward privatization in all facets of human services. No sector remains without a large for-profit sector. We have to train social workers to<br />
be in those for-profit sectors, helping those sectors to be more humanitarian.”</p>
<p>Yes. To be more humanitarian, that final saving grace. </p>
<p>But let&#8217;s not linger on the suggestion that such schools &#8220;&#8230;charge so much, we have to prepare them (social work students) for something different&#8230; If we don’t, we lose the rationale for a certain kind of existence.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://gwbweb.wustl.edu/research/SocialImpact/Documents/Image%20of%20Social%20Work.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://gwbweb.wustl.edu/research/SocialImpact/Documents/Image%20of%20Social%20Work.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: socialworkblog.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Survey shows trend in schools offering dual or joint MSW degree</title>
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		<dc:creator>socialworkblog.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Survey shows trend in schools offering dual or joint MSW degree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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